Who do you like for this election?

[characterzero]

There's already been a few "make fun of Bush threads," so I was wondering who people are favoring in this upcoming election. I'm pro-Obama at this point, for several reasons.

Also, there has been lots of party division not only between democrats but also republicans. Which party stands a better chance at winning at this point? I feel that John McCain may have lost some of the evangelical ultra-conservative vote, but meanwhile democrats are also creating an increasing divide between who they support.

So what do you all think? Completely open to political bickering. :2thumbups:

[Servant]

I'm a McCain guy myself. The other two are just a little less moderate than I care for.

I will now don my flamesuit as I run away screaming. :biggrin:

[characterzero]

I dunno, I feel like McCain has some good qualities, but his take on the war just doesn't sit well with me. Also I feel like he started pandering more to the right just to get support, and I feel like it took away from his integrity. With the way the Republican party has been for the past administration, I feel than another republican oriented administration would only increase party polarity and create strain on our country.

[floydmoline]

or you could vote for a democrat, and watch taxes sky-rocket, our right to keep and bear arms goes flyin out the window, internet is a evil thing? why of course it is lets tax it, sensor it, and crack down on piracy by infringing peoples freedom of speech since you know the ONLY real use for P2P programs and protocals is piracy.... or so the "people's party" would lead folks to believe, defend to the end a woman's right to choose to murder her unborn child, while condoning capitol punishment......... democratic party is just another way of saying "Socialist America" can anyone say U.S.S.A? happy voting comrade :-D

[floydmoline]

OH forgot lol my canidate is Ron Paul (don't give up brother!!!!)

[characterzero]

democratic party is just another way of saying "Socialist America" can anyone say U.S.S.A?

C'mon, that's the same as calling the Republican party a bunch of Fascists! While most of your reasons for disliking the democratic party are perfectly understandable, calling them a bunch of communists is a bit of a stretch.

[floydmoline]

well the biggest reason i call the democratic party socialists is due to the fact they have 2 defining characteristics, the party as a whole not any specific group. first, they like to force the party's politics, to me when democrats get into office they seem to pass as many rediculous bills as they possibly can while they can..... too much changes too quickly and not for the better. second they do not seem to care about people even though most people believe they are a party for the poor..... ironicly socialist groups tout themselves as being "the workers party" while they could give a shit less about "the workers" same thing...... the party pushes it's political agenda more so than republican's..... when a republican takes office you don't typically see them attacking a previous democratic president's passed laws, i.e. when bush took office he didn't set to work dis-mantling NAFTA even though we all know what a cluster-fuck that was, or over-turning Roe Vs. Wade. democrats typically start changing shit as soon as they can since they know they only have 4 years to further their cause....

[MrSandMan]

I was for Joe Biden till fell out of the running. Now, since all the rest of the picks sucks, I'm thinking about settling for Obama. I'm totally anti-hilary! :thumbdown:

sorry guys, I have to go Democrat.

[gravywhisperer]

i say john mccain cuz hes just kinda laidback

[Redline68]

I'm guessing McCain will win.

I think this election is the Democrat's to lose. They'd have to screw up pretty bad to get another Republican elected at this time, but I think they'll do it. The ongoing Billary/Obama shenanigans will doom the dems.

[characterzero]

Yeah, the democrats have really started going at each other. The media really hasn't helped at all, they've been slinging as much mud as they can. I think if either party is divided they'll fail, like earlier people were worrying McCain was actually TOO liberal. Now the shoe is on the other foot so to speak. However, following the Bush administration, I think the democrats have a pretty good chance.

This is provided Nader doesn't pick up any steam.

[monetmelly]

Obama, hes changing the game

[Brian Krashpad]

Obama. We need to stop this World Policeman shit. If we weren't bleeding millions a day in Iraq we'd all be a lot better off.

McCain is ready to stay in Iraq for generations. Fuck that.

[Brian Krashpad]

or you could vote for a democrat, and watch taxes sky-rocket

Yeah, God forbid someone actually PAYS for all this shit. While we're at it, let's give out some money to everyone while we're running a billions-dollar deficit. Great way to buy votes.

Heard the expression there's no free lunch?

Sorry, but the Republicans gave up their position as fiscally responsible about 8 fucking years ago.

[MrSandMan]

Bush administration endorses McCain. So fuck that!

My vote goes to Obama. Plus the guy seems very level headed and someone who isn't looking to screw us every chance he gets... but then again, he is a politician.

[floydmoline]

Bush administration endorses McCain. So fuck that!

My vote goes to Obama. Plus the guy seems very level headed and someone who isn't looking to screw us every chance he gets... but then again, he is a politician.



that would be obvious that the bush admin is supporting mccain LOL, the incumbant republican is ALWAYS going to support the sole republican canidate.

Obama. We need to stop this World Policeman shit.

we are going to be the worlds watchdog regardless of who is in the house, it is our "responsibility" iraq is a farce, mainly because we invaded NOT because we were called upon by the UN to iraq, uni-lateral military invasion is an invasion no mater how you coat it in the press, and for that bush should be imprisoned for TREASON!!

McCain is ready to stay in Iraq for generations. Fuck that.

once again it goes back to it's our responsibility, we went in and destroyed a stable government, replaced it with another in-efficient goveernment that can't make up their minds on what they need or want to do.

Sorry, but the Republicans gave up their position as fiscally responsible about 8 fucking years ago.

i say there is more to life than money...... as far as spending goes that is the fault of congress not the president, the president can't spend anymore money than his yearly salary without consent of congress anyone who's taken a semester of civics knows this..... the primary reason i stand behind the republicans is morality, and values. i honestly don't much care how or why they spend money it really does not directly effect me, the taxes may effect me and as long as they don't raise income taxes i could careless how they spend it. BUT gun control, religion force fed in a public forum, right to life, and personal freedom / morality laws all effect me in a real and personal way. and republicans values are aligned more toward my values, i feel safe knowing there is a guy in a position of power who's interests are in line more with mine.

[Brian Krashpad]

Obama. We need to stop this World Policeman shit.


we are going to be the worlds watchdog regardless of who is in the house, it is our "responsibility" iraq is a farce, mainly because we invaded NOT because we were called upon by the UN to iraq, uni-lateral military invasion is an invasion no mater how you coat it in the press, and for that bush should be imprisoned for TREASON!!


That's exactly the kind of thing I meant by "world policeman." We can do things dumb, like illegal unilateral invasions, or smart. Iraq was dumb. We're in agreement.

McCain wants to stay there. Saddam's dead and the WMD's were a lie from the get-go. Time to cut them loose.

McCain is ready to stay in Iraq for generations. Fuck that.


once again it goes back to it's our responsibility, we went in and destroyed a stable government, replaced it with another in-efficient goveernment that can't make up their minds on what they need or want to do.

So because Bush fucked up we're supposed to doom future generations to the albatross of Iraq around our national neck?

I say no way, Ray. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Sorry, but the Republicans gave up their position as fiscally responsible about 8 fucking years ago.


i say there is more to life than money......

But, if that's you're thought than you shouldn't be concerned about taxes.

as far as spending goes that is the fault of congress not the president, the president can't spend anymore money than his yearly salary without consent of congress anyone who's taken a semester of civics knows this..... the primary reason i stand behind the republicans is morality, and values. i honestly don't much care how or why they spend money it really does not directly effect me, the taxes may effect me and as long as they don't raise income taxes i could careless how they spend it. BUT gun control, religion force fed in a public forum, right to life, and personal freedom / morality laws all effect me in a real and personal way. and republicans values are aligned more toward my values, i feel safe knowing there is a guy in a position of power who's interests are in line more with mine.


What "religion force fed in a public forum" are you talking about? You mean like when fundamentalists take over school boards and mandate the teaching of creationism? I agree. You should be voting Democrat on that issue.

I want to hear more about these "personal freedom / morality laws" you mention as well. Which of those are you in favor of? They're opposing interests. If you are for personal freedom, then you'd be against "morality laws." And should be voting Democrat.

As for gun control, if people need a license to drive a car, it's ludicrous to assert that they can't be regulated when they want to purchase and use guns. We both know that the language of the Second Amendment is far from clear that no regulation was intended. In fact, a good argument can be made that it applies only to the forming of militias. But at any rate it's well-settled that reasonable regulations of gun ownership do not violate the Second Amendment. An outright ban might.

I won't even get into abortion rights, other than to say that until a baby is born it's part of a woman's body, and no one else should have any say in what she does with it. Those with the belief that "life begins at conception" invariably base such beliefs on their religious beliefs, and those beliefs are not shared by everyone else. Legislating morality seldom works, and when doing so is based on the religious tenets of certain faiths, whether they be fundamentalist Muslims or fundamentalist Christians, then our right to free religion, which encompasses the right to be from religion, is abridged.

[floydmoline]

well i am not a religious person, i do not believe in god, but i'm not a militant atheiest, that point goes on to my personal freedom idea, it is your or anyone else right to choose what religion you personally choose to follow, as long as you respect my right to choose my own religion

gun control..... is wrong period i and everyone else KNOW why it was added to the bill of rights, same reason a president can only server 2 terms, governments have a horrible tendancy to TAKE more control than was originally mandated by the people, and people need guns to defend themselves from a tyranical government, it can be argueed all day long about how in this day and age tyrants couldn't come to power and we could control what happens in our government etc etc etc, but i ask this if the people had their voices heard would we be in iraq right now, and would we have been there to begin with, we would more than likely be there now, but wouldn't have gone over to begin with, too many of us have or have had loved ones in iraq and know what really goes on, and not what the TV tells us. i know i am going to get flamed for this, but i supported david koresh, he was a religious zealot and a nut job, BUT it was iraq on a small scale, the ATF had NO reason to storm his compound, given the FBI, or local police had plenty of reason to, the ATF stepped WAY WAY WAY out of their mandated jurisiction, and as such he defended himself, he had the guns they were bitching about LONG before clinton took office and created his "ban" on assult weapons. if you let the democrats have their way we would not be allowed to own any hand guns, or semi-sutomatic rifles, or any other weapon deemed military / assault we would be allowed to own one shotgun for hunting purposes. hey it works in canada so it'll work here WRONG canada also has universal health care..... i think that sould be MORE of an issue than gun control..... in case it is no appearant gun control is the ONE issue i will debate forever and all day long, it is my last and only defence against anyone who wants to screw with my life, i only have once to live and NO ONE is going to fuck with that..... if someone steps to me and pulls a gun or a knife i enjoy the comfort that i am not going to die and it will be a fair fight. if the government can't control violent criminals i will. there is more i would love to ramble on about lol but i don't have time atm.... i will be back lol

[MrSandMan]

I say no way, Ray. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rovQj9vNq8I

[Brian Krashpad]

well i am not a religious person, i do not believe in god, but i'm not a militant atheiest, that point goes on to my personal freedom idea, it is your or anyone else right to choose what religion you personally choose to follow, as long as you respect my right to choose my own religion

gun control..... is wrong period i and everyone else KNOW why it was added to the bill of rights, same reason a president can only server 2 terms, governments have a horrible tendancy to TAKE more control than was originally mandated by the people, and people need guns to defend themselves from a tyranical government, it can be argueed all day long about how in this day and age tyrants couldn't come to power and we could control what happens in our government etc etc etc, but i ask this if the people had their voices heard would we be in iraq right now, and would we have been there to begin with, we would more than likely be there now, but wouldn't have gone over to begin with, too many of us have or have had loved ones in iraq and know what really goes on, and not what the TV tells us. i know i am going to get flamed for this, but i supported david koresh, he was a religious zealot and a nut job, BUT it was iraq on a small scale, the ATF had NO reason to storm his compound, given the FBI, or local police had plenty of reason to, the ATF stepped WAY WAY WAY out of their mandated jurisiction, and as such he defended himself, he had the guns they were bitching about LONG before clinton took office and created his "ban" on assult weapons. if you let the democrats have their way we would not be allowed to own any hand guns, or semi-sutomatic rifles, or any other weapon deemed military / assault we would be allowed to own one shotgun for hunting purposes. hey it works in canada so it'll work here WRONG canada also has universal health care..... i think that sould be MORE of an issue than gun control..... in case it is no appearant gun control is the ONE issue i will debate forever and all day long, it is my last and only defence against anyone who wants to screw with my life, i only have once to live and NO ONE is going to fuck with that..... if someone steps to me and pulls a gun or a knife i enjoy the comfort that i am not going to die and it will be a fair fight. if the government can't control violent criminals i will. there is more i would love to ramble on about lol but i don't have time atm.... i will be back lol


Note to self: call BEFORE showing up at Floyd's house.

And wear plenty of Kevlar.

:biggrin:

[Brian Krashpad]

I say no way, Ray. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rovQj9vNq8I


The man is just scary.

Hilarious, but scary.

:biggrin:

[floydmoline]

i'm not a militant by any means, i just prefer to have that option at my disposal

[ninja636]

They both are shit. Oslam-ya the tax man, and McCain the oil company puppet. You got one guy thats"for the working and middle class people" so lets tax the shit out of them, and force our health care plan down their throats. Then you got an oil company puppet that says"let the people(working class and middle class) work it out for themselves without any help or support from us. FUCK both of them. Mickey Mouse could probably do a better job than either one of these jackasses. I'm gonna write in my dog for president on my ballet. I think we DESPERATLY need another "Boston Tea Party" in this country. The good ol' US of A is steadily declining as a world power. Soon London will be the money power, and China the industrial/trade power. I think I'm gonna learn me some Chinese. Shit, in a few years Russia will even have us beat as a "world power", maybe Rosetta has a Russian course too. I love me some Vodka.

[JulieT]

I don't like any of the current main stream presidential candidates. Let's all write it a name that will be a good president: Ron Paul. I won't pick the better of two evils this year.